Wednesday, May 13, 2009

John Piper Speaks Prophetically Against the Sin of Abortion

This is awesome. Listen here. John Piper says, "No, Mr. President, we stand for the sanctity of human life because human life is made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Christians should weep for America because pro-life legislation is quickly overturned by our new President. Make no mistake about it. Mr. Obama is the strongest pro-death candidate ever to set foot in the White House. And make no mistake about it. The God of glory THUNDERS. May God help us all!

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

what a weak argument. racism is not the act of treating people as if they were not humans. racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. being pro-choice doesn't mean our pro-death, it mean's you have the right to decide what to do with your body. as a man, please tell me what your period is like, how pregnancy feels, what to do with a baby conceived from rape, what the doctor should do if a woman's life is in danger during birth, or doesn't use proper birth control because abstinence isn't a useful condom (hi Bristol Palin!). Pro-death is fighting senseless wars in Iraq, people dying from poverty, AIDS pandemic, the death penalty... I could go on. But buddy, do some basic googling of racism before you make such a statement... but again, until a man births a baby or dies from birthing a baby or chooses to just not have a baby or watches their wife die giving birth to a baby... and if you don't like abortion, don't get one. otherwise, let people choose! God does.

Logan Almy said...

Well, my Anonymous friend, in Trevor's defense, I would say that he was merely making a connection, and that from a Christian worldview, between the way that both racism and abortion devalue people who are made in the image of God. I do think that he was attempting to make "an argument" in favor of a pro-life position. Moreover, even though the "pro-death" language in my post is emotionally-charged language, I continue to assert that you are in fact pro-death, even though, as you clearly admit in your comments, you silently sacrifice infants on the altar of free choice. In doing so, you also enthrone self (in the guise of autonomous free will mind you) in the place of Almighty God. Think about this. Basically, you have a conflict of values. On the one hand, you have the value of the woman's right to choose, which is an important value. On the other hand, you have the life of a human being. The reason I assert that pro-choice is pro-death is on account of the fact that your position amounts to saying the following: The value of a woman's choice is greater than the value of a human life. However, the fallacy in this approach is that the woman's choice presupposes life. In other words, in almost every conceivable ethical system, not simply Christian ethics, life is more valuable than choice because life is the great presupposition of choice. How would a woman be able to choose if her mother had aborted her? Just something to think about. Oh yeah, and the argument that a person has to be a women to protest the moral outrage of abortion is laughable. Do I have to be a sociopath in order to condemn the actions of Ted Bundy? Finally, "letting people choose" is fine until it infringes on the rights of others. When your choice is at the expense of the life of a human being made in the image of God, your choice should be prevented. Yes, you are free to choose, but the government, which is instituted by God (Romans 13) is also free to punish you. But in this case, abortion is a legal form of child sacrifice, and the sword has been removed from the government, which should be able to punish the wrongdoer. On another note, I do think that you raise some issues that need to be discussed further (the responsibility of the man, the health of the woman, etc.).

Logan Almy said...

Ok...well, I thought I was done, but this is absurd, too. You said, "Pro-death is fighting senseless wars in Iraq, people dying from poverty, AIDS pandemic, the death penalty." Really? Are you serious? First of all, war is an entirely different category of ethical questions. Second, poverty is in yet another category. Also, poverty is not death. Third, AIDS is a disease, not a choice to kill. Fourth, the death penalty may be a close analogy except for the fact that such a person has usually BROKEN A LAW! Wow! What law did this unborn child break? "O wow, 'mom,' I am sorry that you had sex (unless you were raped - like 1% or so...) and you chose to kill me because I was INCONVENIENT." It is simply an attestation of the depravity of man that people do not see how SICK and DEPRAVED that is. The list of things you consider "pro-death" are hardly in the same category. They are important. They need to be addressed, but they are not even in the ballpark of abortion.